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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:55 am 
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There you go again Fighting .THE CHILDREN ARE DYING . People THis is SERIOUS we got to help the Children put your heads together and think of something to help them .PLEASE dont let the evil take your mind of this FACT .

I know that Obama said alot of things but didnt do it .ITS up to the People to remind him of this dont just take his word for it .THE mans head is full of things That he said and did not do .He has to be reminded AGAIN and AGAIN until he re,acts

Howard prayers are good the Creator tells us Parents to get up each morning while its still dark to CRY out to him on behalf of our Children .We have to start talking to the Creator again about our Fears and problems .Alot of people forgot how to do this and there is no better time then NOW.


Neerdaels said that Wasi-chu is a Lakota word and means .Takes the fat. or greedy person .So its not really a swear word . So I think I can use the word it does not hurt anybody ,

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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:01 am 
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Some times I feel that someone made this website for a hobby just to pass time because no one is really serious about anything here .Like alot of bored children who just want to fight all the time .Rainbow


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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:42 am 

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Howard, me dear

I don't understand ye I must admit.
Again ye suspecting me for some hostility. OR attack.
I hope it won't break yer heart - but yer person doesn't bother me much, sometimes ye making me smile - that I like.
I have nothing against ye.
And I'm truly peaceful person.
Me and attacking is like "frozen flame", "happy depression", "dark sunshine" or "bitter sugar".
Oxymoron.

(So ye wouldn't think I call ye moron or something - "oxymoron" is (from Greek ὀξύμωρον, "sharply dull") is a figure of speech that combines normally contradictory terms. They appear in a range of contexts, from inadvertent errors such as extremely average, to deliberate puns like same difference, to literary oxymorons that have been carefully crafted to reveal a paradox. "And faith unfaithful kept him falsely true." ;) Very popular in Baroque poetry. )

I see no need to use PM - this Aesop story was for everyone.
As it is said "What touches ye -it applies to ye".
What ye saw and understand in that story - is yers.
I have nothing to do with it - I just posted story - ye gave it meaning for yerself.
As everyone else.

[Personally I always liked men with long hair -everyone who knows me can confirm it -from my parents to every of my friend.]

But in manner to apologize ye for yer inner pain and to Cheer(okee) ye up- especially for ye :

http://daltondailycitizen.com/features/ ... he-creator

[...]One of the myths he discussed was why the Cherokee wear their hair long.

“It’s not because we don’t have something to use to cut it. I could use my knife to cut it,” Brown said. “It’s not because we’re ‘savages.’ It’s because we were created that way, and we respect and honor the Creator. It’s like grass, which will grow only so tall and then stop. But I see people mow their yards, and I think they go against what the Creator intended.”[...]


and
http://www.southerncherokeenationky.com ... guage.html

Hope ye feel better now.




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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:25 am 
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I tend to agree with Howard It seem to me you are on this Forum to make people dispondend .I havent heard a single word of upliftment form you .Why this is so I dont know Theres alot of words but no LOVE no Fire .Rainbow


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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:28 am 
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Seriously though how did we go from a medicine man talking about our Dakotah Oyate children dying to Howards cherokee hair and heritage. I think you need to take a look at the top of the forum where it says REPUBLIC OF LAKOTAH COMMUNITY FORUMS. Perhaps good sir there is a Cherokee community forum that you would better serve your Cherokee Heritage and your Cherokee hair.

Do not mistake us for lazy indians or downgrade our culture or heritage while you are here. If you come here with respect then that is what you will get. If you come with any other intent i suggest that you find somewhere else to cause trouble because there are many who come here to learn and understand the struggles of Dakotah/Lakotah/Nakotah Oyate. We are the descendents and survivors of a People that have been the victims of genocide more times than i care to count or remember.

Although BB came off a little harsh i would remind all here to please try to stay on topic....myself included. These are my words and i have spoken them

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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:46 am 
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Valid points have been made and there's been some meandering as well-in the end it
is about Our Children Are Dying and I suspect that if this discussion were taking
place in a cafeteria somebody would have yelled FOOD FIGHT by now and the entree
of the day would be the weapon of choice rather than words.


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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:57 am 
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i made an off hand comment about it and someone else ran with it GW.

Not once have i tried starting trouble here with that same intent.

I was not trying to downgrade the Lakotah peoples in any way shape or form. I think if you go back and read the thread i did several times try and steer things back to the topic at hand.

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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:45 am 
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I dont think it was ment for you Howard .I.m trying to find pictures of Children playing to send to the topic .and also I.m hoping to find some sponsors for the Children of Lakota project .this is a good topic and I hope that there will be ideas coming in .Rainbow


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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:47 pm 
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Maybe what I will say is this off the topic but I do not think so
and I do not think I am made to care.
Maybe the pride is made to go because now we have people who
are of us to say they are to lead and know all things who tell us
our words are bad like this squaw word.
Some times I see this man of mines face to be made soft when he
looks to me and says I am his squaw and I made to feel his love and
be proud.
I am this ones squaw and I will not let those who take the words from
us and say they are bad to get the attention and the money to
say to me what to speak.
No man knows what to be a woman is and we do not know what to be the
man is. The man may speak of the matriarchy but it is the woman who
knows. This matriarchy means that the women do not let the words to
be changed for her or the children. This matriarchy means we do not let
the man to change the words of beauty for us to be a shame.
Maybe when this is understood the pride will be ours again and
the children will not kill themselves. We have this place for the women here
and no woman speaks of the matriarchy and I am made to hope that if
the women will read the link they can find their voice.


http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/squaw.html


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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:14 pm 

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True power in these words drumdancer, I never knew this about this word, but now I will look on it with the right eyes and see what was meant. Thank you so very much for sharing this, it is an honor to share this place with you.

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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:48 pm 

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Nea'ese Drumdancer.

Those are words of woman who cares for her sisters - not for herself only.
Who cares and dares to show bright way how to bring change for those who women care most about - their children.
Thank ye very much - as usual ye helped me to see straight and clear again, Drumdancer. :)

There is in every True Woman's heart, a spark of heavenly fire, which lies dormant in the broad daylight of prosperity, but which kindles up and beams and blazes in the dark hour of adversity.

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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:01 pm 
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I hear thunder in your words drumdancer and a great truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvoeeq-BH4w


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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:44 pm 
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Hey everyone, glad to see everyone is getting back to what we need to do for the children. If we come together and see what Autumn is doing on the Pine Ridge then you can see she is also spreading this to other reservations. She's traveling to other places talking on this very subject. You can also hear her on KILI radio. Tune in, it's online and it's free. She truly takes the difficult path and gets results wherever she goes. Just some insight if anyone is wondering.

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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:26 pm 
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yes it is good to have the peace here and to the lost brother and
heyokha thank you for being the friends and to say the words you
speak. and pahchoka when you honor me and make me to cry with
this words of thunder because I know what this thunder is.
I am made to think now we should speak of these little ones who
have the suffering.


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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:12 am 
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Hello Ghostwarrior Blackbird is right in the sense when he say that people should stop fighting . And try to find ideas to help kids on the Rez .Just imagine what a child would think if they check our post and see that what we say to each other here .When its actualy ment to find out how we can help each other to help the children .

And another thing I notice every time we talk about Native american children or kids on the Reservation Then someone will mention European kids ,or african kids .How SELFISH that is, Dont children on the resevation also need our help ?.Do you know many organisations help African kids and how many help european kids . There are even First nation.s people helping African children .I feel that I can help who I want to I dont need anybody to dictate to me . Rainbow


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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:25 am 
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rainbow

i understand bb's point about fighting but when he asked what wasichu has to do with indian children suffering... that went way out there into the realm of wasichu thinking and for one who professes to follow the ways of Dakotah Oyate that statement is antithesis to everything that Dakotah Oyate represents and i don't care what anyone says because i am a full blooded traditional of Dakotah and Lakotah and Nakotah blood and would say the same to any Dakotah/Lakotah/Nakotah who would say such an obviously ridiculous thing and i'll say it again if necessary.

the children on reservations are suffering precisely because of wasichu and his inability to be a human being of honor and integrity. why do i say this because there is not one treaty made with the indigenous people of this continent that he has ever kept and there are over 500 of them. there is a book of all the treaties ever made with First Americans and this book felt so dirty to hold. because in that one book were many millions of murdered indians, many more millions of miles of land stolen, and dead and dying children. my heart hurts every single day rainbow for my People and for these Children of Dakotah Oyate.

these are my words and i have spoken them.

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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:34 am 
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Ghostwarrior I understand fully what you mean, I did see everything that has been done to your people .believe me I know what you are talking about .If you look at some of my post you will see how shockt I was when I found out about your peoples history .I know now what Wasi.chu mean and I respect your reason for using the word because only you will know what it really means too you .

I.m just a friend who are trying to let you know that you are not alone .if you except me as such I will be happy more I dont need .And no matter how people try to make me dispondent and try to make me give up on you they wont succeed I will stand firm .

Mitakuye Oyasin ,Rainbow


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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:54 am 
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the children need us as role models to guide them and help them through life. We were children once and when we needed it our parents were there.

I realize there may be some children who have no mom or dad, or even lack both. This is where responsible adults can step in and become a big brother or big sister. I think the key to getting these children fired up and proud would be to teach them the old ways.

Hunting, skinning, setting up the tipi, horseback riding...smudging, council meetings. Get them excited about doing these things again. After all this was a time when we were thriving, why not go back to it?

Yes some of this we have to abide by the wasichu laws like getting a hunting license, staying off another s' property. If we dont give them reason to, they cant harass us and in turn we bring back to life the traditions that once made us proud.

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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:16 am 
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its a good thought Howard... i like it. for those who live on reservations the issue of hunting and fishing should not even be an issue. all it takes is a little time to enrich the life of any child.

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 Post subject: Re: Our Children Are Dying
PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:26 am 
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So much of this traditional ways has evolved into confrontational events now,
like the issue of hunting and fishing-these are treaty guarantees and as such
there is in the strict interpretation of these treaties nothing that requires a
license.
To my way of thinking that means no indigenous person should ever waste their
money on one and if necessary there should be a steady parade through the
courts for those "caught" hunting without one until it is upheld. In hunting
rights I imply we hunt or fish anywhere we please.
For those children who are either single parent or parentless it has always been
tradition for the grandparents, aunts and uncles etc to assume the responsibility.
The burgeoning collapse of tradition is facilitated by the issues of alcohol and
substance abuse, lack of pride and self respect in oneself, and for women -that is
the unavoidable truth of it and until those issues are addressed the fate of not
only the children but the people hangs in the balance.
Every attempt to educate the children should be made but it will have no value
if they do not see it reflected in the behavior of the adults. What you speak of
can be a beginning but there is a long road to be traveled.


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