Hi everybody,
I do this post because my mind is troubled by one question, and i'd like to know your opinion.
What do you think about the principe of duality in life ?
The good and the bad...
I don't know if this principe is natural, or it is human, it is the human society who done this principe...
I'm French, sorry for my English error !

For me, I think it's the society rules who definited it thousand years ago, and now we are slaves of this principe, that's why native american weren't in accord with the white society, because this principe is'nt the same.
All in my culture is dicted by the society, and my society don't want the difference, she want just the mass consomation, and I think she try to do of us a sort of lamb.

So may be all things who have the bad notion are not inevitably bad...
I think I've a anormal life because my wife and me are libertine and for my society, it isn't the way to follow.
It's a personal exemple but there are many others, and the attitude of white against the native american is one of them. I think if we understand all, there isn't this principe of duality, because may be if our ancesters liked the bad, today, we would do the bad. And Who are we to definite this ?
What we know about this principe ?
What do you think about this ?

Sometimes good people do bad things, and bad people do good things. We all have the capacity for doing great good or great bad. BUt bad is bad and good is good. In my belief there are no grey areas and one does one or the other and reaps or suffers the consequences of their actions either positive or negative. I believe all of us started out as a blank page and from the day of our birth started making the choices that become the writting on the page. All of us have done bad things but I think everyone has a pull to naturally do good things sadly that pull becomes diluted and beaten down as we grow older and find more ways to justify bad choices. Many hold to a core set of principles that are unshakable. I offer my self as example. I will not lie, it is my belief that everytime a man lies a part of him dies and something is lost. By todays standard in society honesty is not really acceptable. We are surrounded by liars, our leaders are by nature liars, the places we do business with are liars, If you have ever been involved in the horse business you know a honest person is a rarity.

Yes we are dual in out capacity for good or bad but we are given free choice and what we choose will be accounted for one way or another in the end. To bad so many have chosen the gratification of the now and self indulgence over the tommorrow and the (Right) of today. Te good thing is that everyday is a new opportunity to make amends and it is never to late to do the right and good things.

Thank You for your answer, I agree your point of view about the liars who govern us.
your answer is just, and you are right.
I think the only real bad things result of the no-respect of the Nature. We are all children of the Earth, and there are some indisputable natural laws like corruption, lies, irespect of ourselves, and all of them are done by the system.
My heart is sad and I suffer everyday of that.
I don't to be a number, like another.
I want to be free and in accord with my essence.
But I think the "perfect" way of life to follow in our society is bad, because it is dicted by other of us. I don't to live in a little appartment in a city like everybody, have a job for consomated anythings, and give my monney to liars.
I Hate this system.
Thank you again for your answer.

I couldn't agree more with SR, and can only think of one thing to add. On all planets there is night and day, dark and light. So you could apply that to what SR said and see the understanding in nature itself for what is also in us. That's my view on it anyway.

Yes, but our society is killing or nature, do you think the Earth Spririt is abble to resist agin for longtime ?
I'm feeling powerless in front of these people around me. They don't care everythings, they just love their little confort, and they don't care anything else.

I believe in Nature, I try to have a good way of life, and I discut with many people, I try to do understand them, but I don't feel listened...

if i understand native beliefs, the earth mother lives in cycles. Each cycle is like a season...spring, summer, winter and fall. I think the earth is in the latter part of her cycle, and she is getting ready to shed herself of the dead leaves so to speak.

The way I see it, is the earth is on a normally balanced cycle where everything shifts at a slow enough rate to give advanced warning to those who listen and to move to a safer environment. But the wasichu mindset has lead to many people not listening and not watching what the earth is saying. Science can give you glimpses, but calmly sitting on a hill, in the woods, on an empty beach, on a mountaintop, and listening to all around you, letting yourself get lost in nature, that my friend will tell you so much. What are the animals doing? How are their actions different? Is the sun coming up earlier or later or both? Is the sun moving with it? I have a tree outside my window, the sun comes up behind it everyday, yet some days it's early or late by as much as an hour on certain days. Have you every felt VERY dizzy all of a sudden and found no reason why? What would naturally occur, that has now been altered by humans? What weight have we added to one small spot on a planet that is spinning around? If the tides are caused by the moon pulling the oceans... what effect would more water in the oceans have? How much would that much added weight alter the tilt of the earth? What effect would it have on the land and seasons? There is so much you can figure out just by watching nature, adding pure science that isn't agenda driven and a very strong picture takes place. The earth is not fighting back or attacking or any other such nonsense, it's just doing what it always does.

The duality of the heart is there but ultimately it is the knowing between what is good and bad... and still making that decision to do bad that i take great issue with. This has been seen time and time again in wasichu history how many blame their actions on others and try to justify those actions by saying "I was just following orders". i was taught and believe that the only person responsible for their actions is the person who chose to take those actions. Then again i am just a human being who must ask for guidance and strength from Tunkasila everyday... because i know i am pitiful and weak.

!

Bonjour Hygdahell (and that is about the extent of my French!)

Ying/Yang, Good heart/bad heart. Life/death. Love/hate. Duality is an old human understanding of the nature of life and its choices for each of us. In the related thread "How to Treat Others" this is also discussed validly (poorly in my case, but well by others.)

It is a valid way of describing the challenge each of us faces in striving toward being a Human Being, of choosing the good path despite temptations to follow the bad path at times. One thing that I believe accounts for the acceleration in how many seem to be choosing the bad, selfish, dishonest, or cruel path is the lack of accountability to others that was/is inherent in the traditional Indian social order of matriarchy, tribe, and clan. It was a brilliant social order in which each person, especially the elders, guided and encouraged everyone else in be Human Beings, and accepted such guidance and encouragement themselves. What wisdom!

Peace,
Kevin

I was told "Wakan is good and bad together."

I was told this as well neerdaels. sometimes i think i was a question box because i remember being told... somethings are not to be questioned... they just are because Tunkasila wished them to be that way. and so i was taught acceptance of a concept that is far deeper than my understanding will ever be. what i do know is that i pray everyday for strength and guidance to be a good human being. many are the small eyes that are watching me and it is a great responsibility and a great honor. i would like to add that the blessing i am truly thankful to Tunkasila for is... to be a father and a grandfather.

I too am grateful for the days the creator gives me. Each day that i can still walk and tolerate it is a blessing. For me now, life is a daily experience. Dwell on the past only to learn from my mistakes, live for today the best and most peaceful i can and wish for a good tomorrow.

Thank you great father for my defeats and for my victories.

Thank you Great Father for the visions you give me, and for the mystery which blinds me.

Let me not feed the dark wolf but instead let me feed the light one...so that i may thrive in your blessing. But let me not forget the dark wolf, for i may need him when i least expect it.

Singinghawk

There must be balance between the two, both good and evil. Nothing can ever be done without evil, or without good. Every cost must be weighed and every objective understood. There is not such a thing as taking a big risk without committing some evils. It is a simple truth every sentient species must atone for.