Mutually exclusive possibilities? I think not if my statement above is examined-on the contrary
it has been the "theorists" who have presented it as an absolute-even to the point of labeling
any and all who don't buy their tripe as snitches or feds. Hardly unbiased or even handed.
My point is any who have something to say here should do so them self-I was not aware this is a
performance stage for a ventriloquism act.
Does law enforce lie-do cops and prosecutors lie? damn right-with bb's law enforcement background
he can attest to that. Do criminals and the accused lie? Damn right they do. In this who has any
moral ascendancy?
You speak about going to PR with Fay in the spring/summer, when you do take a look at the
remnants of WK Village and ask yourself who did that? Contact Tim Giago and ask him who firebombed
his newspaper and threatened the lives of his family and himself. While you're there find some fb's
who had their homes destroyed with never an offer to repair them and ask who did that?

Look at "the lies of John Graham" on IWJ and ask who spoke those words-look at how Annie Mae's
family was shut out and intimidated for decades and ask who did that? Look at Arlo's confession and
ask who spoke that? Look at the list of questions I keep asking and show me fed involvement.
Show me the fed who abducted, beat, raped and murdered Annie Mae. Show me the fed who murdered
Ray Robinson and the 7 to 12 other victims scattered about in hidden unmarked graves. Show me the fed
who has kept his sorry ass out of jail as others have. Show me the fed who had an honoring ceremony
for Arlo,Graham and Clark and is now pronounced professor of the universe.
I have no respect for the government, it's agents or it's courts-I have less, if that is possible, for any
of our own who trample, abuse, or use any part of our culture to benefit themselves or hide behind to
avoid accountability. I have no respect for any of our own who have any involvement in the murder of
any of our women and then use fear, lateral oppression or the wounds and distrust we already have to
construct alibis with. I will have none of that bullshit regardless of who authors it.
If you think you are on to something pursue it-if you think bb will lead you to some nugget of truth
go for it-but be accepting of what non federal, non Cointelpro, non mercs or whatever testify to and
a mixed jury convicts on-and then be prepared to hear the wails of innocence.
I had a friend one time who had been an attorney and once he said to me the funny thing about jails
and prisons were there were no guilty people in them-everybody was innocent and been done wrong-
framed, set up. Bullshit to that too-there are those wrongly convicted but it is the song of choice to sing.

Paranoia was created among AIM leadership by the feds-what is that, a justification for killing people?
The feds wormed their way in with moles-what is that, a justification to kill people? I would wager anything
that somewhere at the top their are those who cut their own deals and that may well be the biggest untold
truth- the biggest secret.
And so again-I don't care whose is responsible or what the level of involvement in, they need to go
down. While at the same time I'm not going to be misdirected-I'm not going to have my dislike of what
has been forced upon the nations or the wounds my mother, or sister or aunts and uncles or grandparents
or any other endured to be employed to blind me to anything or any possibility. I'm not going to have my
blood questioned or my commitment to the nations faulted because I recognize and reject bullshit.
I'm one of those raggedy ass Indians and damn proud of it, and require no one to tell what it means
or how to believe or behave.
That is the way of it for me and it doesn't matter if any understand or not-I do, and the blood of my
ancestors does as well.
I see as I attempt to post this that bb has posted before me so I will address that- you owe me nothing
bb-no apology no request for forgiveness-nothing. You "owe" what we all do-to live and speak the truth
whether we like it or it serves us. If you would involve yourself in behalf of justice for Annie Mae, the family,
and by extension every person of every one of our nations you owe the same to them, not a tired litany
of absolution for all but the infamous feds.

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No I don't know you very well, and you don't know me at all, thinking I'm a fed. I would expect the next step would be snitch, COINTELPRO, or something equally as rediculous. Now I know in one TINY way how those in AIM during the 70s felt. Thank you RT, that's an experience I never thought I would have.

Pahchoka,

We all know the feds are in this ass deep. They've screwed this all up; from the agents, informants, prosecution, etc. Sure, they've all cut their deals and hope it does not get uncovered. People were killed needlessly for those sorry ass feds. I am no fan of the government either; that is why I quit being a police officer when I saw the corruption going on. I have a conscience and refuse to be around people who lie, cheat, steal, and want to do harm to others to get a kick out of it. When I took my oath to protect and serve; that is exactly what I did. I felt after I reported what I saw and nothing was done, then it was time for me to move. I don't have to be told that the feds lie, criminals lie, etc. I saw that every day when I would put my uniform on and show up to briefing and go out on patrol. I'm not making any assumptions on this case. I just want to make sure we get as much info available to review and pick apart like we're dong in this thread. Yes, I could say he did this and he's guilt, they say this and it's the truth. There are two stories here.........a lie and the truth. When you investigate any case, you always get "all" the information, you leave nothing out, even if you disagree with it. It is a puzzle piece in the big picture. I know that you know where I'm going with this. Why not be more non objective; open your eyes to all the evidence, do not make rush decisions on who is guilty and who isn't. Like I said earlier, I will post what I can when I go through the paperwork. Currently my flash drive has about 1 Gig of info I have to go through. I can't do it overnight. That is why we all need to come together, stop bickering, and make this happen. I could have just stayed off this thread like I did for some time. I got to thinking about it and said, "No, I have a say here too." I will contribute what I can when I can. Don't you think that's fair? Or should I just shut up and stop using my damn brains? Little humor there, lighten up brother. LOL.

As with any investigation, you must first gather all the facts that you can find.
You must keep a non-objective mind in this.
I was posting everything I could find so far.

Are ye trying to say ye consider all ye posted as FACTS, BB?

Being honest some of them I consider as FCUKts and I rather will believe Fox Mulder is really working in basement for FBI X-Files. And I would send some of those "facts" from here to him -as this is where they shall be kept.
In X-Files.
Cause non- objective are UFOs.
Unidentified Flying Objects - That fits perfect to some of those stories, theories, testimonies and ideas "flying" around, being spread here and there and being even more fantastic and extraterrestrial than posters with gray men.
Or Man In Black .

Dammit, I looked back and can not find it now. And I gotta get rolling. Work beckons. I seem to remember something BB posted that was speaking to the canadian AIM leadership. As being communist. And that fellow was, I felt, linking R. Means and another who I forget to some meeting involving Annie May events leading to her death. I believe this was only implied. As an analogy. I would like to compare what I believe is communism's wraping itself in the blanket of altruistic desire to help the workers of the world while, in actuality, acting as nothing more than slavedrivers with the AIM leadership we are examining wraping itself in the blanket of helping the downtrodden Indian while, in actuality, acting as nothing more than thugs and self important despots. And murderers. Of. amoung others, Annie Mae Aquash.

I do not know how anyone can dispute the validity of keeping an objective, non judgemental attitude while hunting. And examining all things is a very important method to do this. And, yes, it takes a strong stomach to do this when dealing with the likes of graham, clark, and to some, R.Means too. All this is very easy for our brother, the Wolf, as Wolves do not overanalize thier enviornment. They are one with all things. They do not ignore what they see because they think it is misleading or irrelavent or not thier style. They first examine before dismissing things as such. To not do this is, I think, leading to failure, an empty belly and starvation. I really do not get this treatment of BB as irrelavent when he brings information to our discussion. If we want to attack something, attack this information. Consider it first, not the messenger. Rule # 3; "Don't trust no bod y! Your old lady set you up. You wake up with your hoodie as a mask in a chair all tied up. Your own mamma be in the bushes. Hidin'. Waitin to lite your ass up. So do I trust BlackBird? Not any more or less than I trust anyone else. As LWB may be aware of. And as objectivity is one of my concerns, I do not really trust myself all that much either. Self examination helps us stay focused on the task at hand, yes? Hunting for justice for Annie Mae. Remember what Biggie said. It may be 24 and a wake up. Or the caretaker come visit. To put on my makeup. I am well aware what sort of people we are dealing with here and if I were to visit the rez, I would maybe be subject to more than reminicing trajic events as I reallly do not care who tries to push me around. As in shoot me. I'll give you the bullet. I will not bend to anothers will. Ever. I may change my mind and turn my will to that shared by another. I will by reflex, never bend. Of course this may leave me vulnerable to reverse psycology. In that case I hope that I am trying very hard to follow my heart will help.
One Love. One Heart is an improvement over an attitude I long held. Which was FTW, if anyone knows what those three letters stand for. To each thier own.
rt

A double post. Sorry. I just wanted to say that your and others implication that BB is on this thread by proxy, presumably(?) R.Means(?), is a possibility, Pachoka. As said before, I don't trust nobody. I have had such suspicions and PMed BB to see what I could see. Like you have said in the past here, we must honor the memory of Annie Mae on this place by trying our best to sort out what is appropriate discussion here from what is not. At the risk of appearing to betray BB's confidance in disclosing our personal conversations, I found BB to be less of a R. Means syncophat than I had expected. And he has friends who are Lakotah, fullblood, traditional Lakotah. Do I agree with some of the lifeways BB claims he is pursuing. No. Is this my buisness? As BB claims he is not selling anything (i.e. he is no Lenard Crow Dog) I think this is none of my buisness. BB, upon making an effort to get to know him better, appears to me to be a relatively honorable Human Being. Even if he is an ex cop. Who sometimes phrases his thoughts as an ex cop would, in my opinion. Hey it may take a while to get that stink of swine off. I live next door to a pig farm by the way. A real pig farm. Not a robin farm. Most all have the stink of wasichu upon us, often through no fault of our own. And we are trying to follow the path of our Ancestors. It is a path with many bloody footprints. The blood is not yet dry. This makes our path slippery. Sometimes we stumble. And sometimes we fall. Please forgive us. If you could hear me say this you may understand better my intent.
rt

I think RT you may be referencing something I posted that mentioned communists
and AIM-now there's a character reference for you-AIM in bed with communists-
a communist as head of an AIM chapter in Canada and just happens to be where
Graham seeks refuge.
Goes to what I said about AIM circa WK2 jumping in anybodies bed to turn a
quick trick for money. Wonder if this communist affiliation would explain any of
the Feds interest in AIM-now there's a novel idea huh? Wonder if stockpiling
weapons and dealing drugs would attract any attention? Even more novel.
Wonder as well how communist affiliations or drug dealing served the nations-
sounds more to me like business ventures-wonder too what Annie Mae knew
of this and what the perceived security risk there was in that?

" I found BB to be less of a R. Means syncophat than I had expected. And he has friends who
are Lakotah, fullblood, traditional Lakotah"

I don't understand the meaning of this-to be less of something-like less
pregnant ? Is it a qualifier, carte blanche, what? I have friends who are Black,
Hispanic, Asian, White, you name it-they are fb's as well. I don't view
that as something to list on an application as qualifications. Doug Durham, Ward
Churchill and others had fb friends as well-what does that mean? That to me is
the same as when people ask Oh could you say something in Indian-yeah I can do
and maybe tap dance and pull a feather out of my ass at the same time.
Kind of like white people when confronted about racism who are always quick to
say they have black friends.
Affiliations with Russell are meaningless to me-they of themselves neither qualify
or disallow-bashing him or praising him are words, and it is
the source of those words that should be considered as well.
For all the talk of hunting and the comparisons drawn what isn't mentioned is
that the hunter leaves sign as well for anyone who cuts his trail, and another hunter
knows how to read it.
So far I'd say this whole episode has been distracting and counterproductive-I
could create a scenario about that quite easily, even claim fed manipulation, draw some
arcane comparisons and conclusions, selectively cite some quotes and dates and
instantly have some quasi legitimacy-simple huh? Some would buy and some wouldn't-
but that's the reality all salesmen must face.

"We all know the feds are in this ass deep"

"People were killed needlessly for those sorry ass feds."

And once again bb you fail to even hint that AIM leadership are in this ass deep
and that people were needlessly killed at their orders. Like I said-thin.

A little reminder-this thread is for and about Annie Mae and her family-not me or you
or bb.

All i would say is that ultimately this about none of us or our opinions of one another but about obtaining justice for annie mae... so that her spirit can rest easy knowing that there were men and women who were true human beings who would not let her memory die on a cold, december day in south dakotah upon ground that has beenn consecrated too many times to count with the blood of women and children of Dakotah Oyate. All i know is that her sacrifice stands in a long line of many.

Here are both the list of witnesses from Looking Clouds trial and a list of possible
witnesses in the upcoming trials of Graham, Rios and Marshall as published on NFIC.
Note, this is a list of potential witnesses-not a foregone conclusion-of this list it
will be interesting to see who is called as the norm is not to call a witness who is a
person of interest in an ongoing investigation-which isn't meant to imply that any
who do not appear on the final list are under investigation-just that it might provide
a clue who is being looked at.

Witness list from Looking Cloud trial

1. Nate Merrick, 2. James Glade, 3. Don Dealing, 4. John Munis, 5. Dr. Gary Peterson, 6. William Wood,
7. Evan Hodge, 8. Kimberly Edwards, 9. Darlene Nichols, 10. Mathalene White Bear,11. Bob Riter,
12. Raymond Handboy, 13. Joan Decker, 14. Angie Begay Janis,15. Troy Lynn Yellow Wood,
16. Denise Pictou, 17. Candy Hamilton, 18. Jeanette Eagle Hawk, 19. Cleo Gates, 20. Richard Two Elk,
21. John Trudell, 22. Robert Ecoffey, 23. and David Price.

List of potential witnesses in the upcoming trials:

24. Abourezk, Charles "Charlie" 25. Alberts, Darlene 26. Alonzo, Abe 27. Ament, Connie Rios 28. Ament, Tony
28. Anderson, Larry 29. Aquash, Mark 30. Aquash, Micki 31. Bald Eagle, Richard 32. Banks, Dennis 33. Beau, Little
34. Bellecourt, Clyde 35. Black, Sioux Casper 36. Blackhorse, Frank DeLuca 37. Blacksmith, Wilma 38. Brand, Joanna
39. Bordeaux, Jean Roach 40. Branscombe, Robert Pictou 41. Brave, Regina 42. Butler, Dino 43. Casados, Leroy
44. Chapman, Serle 45. Clark (Clarke), Theda Nelson 46. Crazy Thunder, Roberta 47. Crow Dog, Leonard
48. Crow Dog, Mary 49. Camp, Carter 50. Day, Jean 51. Denny, Janice 52. Dillon, Frank Scott 53. Ellison, Bruce
54. Ferrar, Sue Aquash 55. Free, Robert 56. Gilbert-Thunderhawk, Madonna Mae 57. Graff, Jim 58. Gray, Eric
59. Hand Boy, Larry 60. Harper, Vern 61. Harvey, Owen 62. Hendricks, Steven 63. Hill, Harry David 64. Houston, Melvin Lee
65. Hollander, Lucky (Wes) 66. Hollander, Toby 67. Howard, Dean 68. Janis, Pat 69. Janis,Betty 70. Janis, Joanne Tall
71. James, Kathy 72. Johnson, Mary 73. Little, Bruce "Beau" Lindon 74. Little, Zeno 75. Looking Cloud, Fritz Arlo
76. Long Soldier, Charlie 77. Maloney, Debbie 78. Martin, Sugar Bear 79. Matthiessen, Peter 80. Means, Arlene Choach
81. Means, Dolly 82. Means-DeCora, Lorelie 83. Means, Russell Charles 84. Means, Theodore "Ted" 85. Means, William "Bill"
86. Mexican, Charlie 87. Nelson, John "Dusty" 88. Nelson, Velma 89. Nichols, Bernadine "Bernie" 90. Northcott, Karen
91. Pelphy, Angie 92. Pelphy, George 93. Peltier, Leonard James 94. Pokrywka, Julian 95. Poor Bear, Tom
96. Poor Bear, Webster 97. Powell, Harry 98. Powless, Herbert "Herb" George 100. Powless, Marge Stevens
101. Pourier, Mitch 102. "Red" - Norman, ? 103. Red Cloud, Tony104. Rios, Thelma Conroy-Hill 105. Roberts, George
106. Running, Al 107. Running Shield, Frank 108. Skenandore, Rod 109. Tilsen, Attorney Ken 110. Tilsen, Mark
111. Thundercloud, Iris Cleveland 112. Tonaquodle, Annie Mae 113. Trimbach, Joseph 114. Two Shoes, Minnie
115. Vigil, Ernesto 116. White, Kelly 117. Williams, Rick 118. Williams, Velma (Vivian) Locust 119. York, Eugene
120. Zigrossi, Norman

Not Available: Deceased
121. Anderson, Mike (Baby AIM) 122. Bellecourt, Vernon 123. Bordeaux, Evelynn 124. Brown, W.O.
125. Butler, Nilak 126. DeSersa, Bryron 127. Draper, Wish 128. Duenas, Roque Orlando 129. Giese, Paula
130. Gates, Al 131. Gonzales, Corky 132. LaCourse, Richard V. 133. Little, June 134. Robideau, Robert
135. Tilsen, Rachael

I post this just to provide a list of names for others to look at and search for information about.

I wonder, Pachoka if it is that my lack of respect for the 'feds' runs so much deeper than the lack of respect for First Nations People who turn on thier own, which you say is contrary to your attitude, that makes our perspectives diverge. After all, as a non-native, deep inside, my 'own kind' are, to me, held to a higher degree of culpability than those who I see as the victems of genocide. That we are all wounded by Wounded Knee, I & II, makes such distinctions rather irrelavent, maybe. That the feds involve themselves in murder, rape, beating, and crimes of abduction on a 'cherry picking' basis and turn a blind eye to so much injustice perpetrated on First Nations People by both native and non-natives is very wrong too. Like we said before, one must start somewhere. We chose to start with Annie Mae. I promise to try my best to not lose sight of this.
Remember the Women Children and Old ones. And remember them in our prayers to our Ancestors as these are the allies we can truely and unconditionally trust as we can no one else. Hoka Hey!
Madakotah

I understand that RT-we always feel the greater betrayal and sense of shame, if
that is the correct terminology, not to mention anger, when it is our own race who
authors it.
Difficult not to "personalize" it in this way and I try to view them as being
joined at the hip in matters as such as these.
I tend to view this as an event involving erosion-the soil under which the truth
was buried is being swept, washed away, like the tip of a fossilized bone or pottery
shard being exposed and soon to be excavated, examined and to speak it's truth.
Remember those blind squirrels RT who labor more to find that occasional nut
and the greater reward for effort it must be. That has been the way of it, those
who have a hand in this tried to blind us, maybe they succeeded in part, but
many still grope about in this created darkness and find the occasional nut that
sustains and points the way to the next one.

This is a copy of letter from Annie Mae's attorneys of record sent to Ellison-
had Ellison of been Annie Mae's attorney he could not be compelled to testify
under the attorney client privilege provision and would not be taking the fifth
or requesting immunity as a condition to testifying.

I have something to say and all I ask is that you read this entire post. I am an old woman. I have lived a long time through a lot and have made many, many mistakes and said the wrong thing many, many times myself so I know where of I speak. I told someone in a pm that I think we as reasonable, sensible ADULTS, should be able to discuss and even disagree with each other with out the “hate” posts. So...I am saying...stop it right now! There is no reason and certainly this is no place to call names, back bite, gossip and hurt others. In the last few days, we have had some really good information to look over. In the past we have had good info. And the promise of more.

I am tired of reading how “you think someone is a fed” and other hurtful things. That one will never be not funny because it truly is so ludicrous. I am not picking on you. But I chose this statement because I know LWB. And fed is about as far off base as you can get. If you knew him, he could be your best friend. He is honest, truthful, trustworthy, and reliable. He will not back down when he thinks he is right unless you show him he is wrong. I know this for a fact. We must remember when we write here or anywhere else to reread what we write before we post. And realize that the reader doesn’t know what we know so we must be careful of our words. Careful in the sense to be clear of what we mean. And we must not jump to conclusions and stomp someones liver. When I read your post I only have black and white (or tan) to look at. I cannot see the twinkle in your eye, the worried furrow of your brow, the turned up corner of your mouth in teasing, or hear the inflection in your voice.

So I must read carefully and with patience and consideration. Sometimes, I get the wrong idea and read further and realize I misunderstood. I have posts that I have written and never posted because I was afraid someone would not understand what I meant. You guys are so intelligent and articulate. You search out information and formulate it and are kind enough to share with us. We have every right to disagree, but just do that. “I disagree because of .....” Don’t say “ I disagree you stupid hateful ignorant moron” No one has used those words, but that is the feeling I have gotten when reading some things. So put the tape measures away. I would hate to have to ground you and send you to your room. I say this because if this does not stop, something will eventually happen that we don’t want to happen and won’t help anyone. So...let’s keep our tempers in check, read with patience. If you think someone says something you don’t like, simply ask “do you mean this...?” And either sorry I misunderstood or well I disagree because... Now let’s play nice. I guess everyone will be mad at me now, but sorry, I call em as I see em. Please take this in the spirit in which it is typed. To save this and other threads from being shut down. The admins have warned and warned. Please pay attention. If you feel the need to “set someone straight” maybe it would be better in a pm.

We should be a family here. We all want the truth. We have different personalities. Some of us speak softly but carry a big stick. Some have an outgoing, forceful personality, some just like to pick fights and cause trouble where none exists. Don’t fall into their traps. We need to be understanding of our differences, realizing that no personality type is wrong, except the bully, but we are just different. Different people get different things accomplished. Think of it like this. Can you make a wedding gown? I can. Can you build a weaving loom? I can’t. Neither is dumb or stupid or wrong, just different and compliments each other. You build the loom, another weaves the material, I sew it, someone else delivers it. That is what we need to do here. I am very proud of all who participate and search out the truth, no matter what the outcome. Keep up the great work!!!

kaqu (grandmother) MOLWB is in the house and making some sense.

Just wanted to post a few things that may not have been looked into yet, trying to help achieve a bit of clarity on some things.


http://www.jfamr.org/doc/arlo.html


DET. ALONZO: Let me interrupt for just a second.

00:08:52.5 91 Arlo, after being advised, let me just go over a couple more

00:08:56.3 92 things, just procedure, to make sure that you're aware of all

00:09:00.7 93 the situation that's going on here during this interview. Okay.

00:09:04.7 94 Have any promises or threats been made to you at any time,

00:09:07.5 95 by myself, or Mr. Robert Ecoffey, to get you to make this statement?

00:09:13.3 96 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:09:16.8 97 DIET. ALONZO: Are you under the influence of any

00:09:18.4 98 narcotics, drugs, or alcohol?

00:09:23.7 99 LOOKING CLOUD: A little bit of alcohol.

00:09:26.5 100 DIET. ALONZO: A little bit of alcohol?

00:09:27.7 101 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:09:33.5 102 DET. ALONZO: Is this statement being made voluntarily?

00:09:36.3 103 LOOKING CLOUD: Yes.

00:09:38.4 104 DET. ALONZO: And do you understand that this

00:09:39.5 105 interview is being video and audio tape recorded?

00:09:43.1 106 LOOKING CLOUD: Uh-huh.

00:09:49.1 107 DET. ALONZO: Okay. Just so that we keep the record

00:09:50.9 108 straight, for your protection as well as everybody else's, right

00:09:56.4 109 here this indicates that you were advised, which we were --just

00:09:58.7 110 done just a minute ago, with your constitutional rights. This

00:10:02.6 111 here says that, Have any promises or threats been made to you in

00:10:05.7 112 regards to this interview, and you said No, is that correct?

00:10:08.9 113 LOOKING CLOUD: Yes.

00:10:09.7 114 DET. ALONZO: Just put your initials right there next to the No.

00:10:19.0 115 Okay. Then it further states, Are you under the influence

00:10:22.0 116 of any narcotics, drugs, alcohol. And you answered, A little

00:10:26.6 117 bit of alcohol, is that correct?

00:10:28.1 118 LOOKING CLOUD: (No audible answer)

00:10:28.4 119 DET. ALONZO: Just initial that for me, please.

00:10:39.9 120 And is this statement being voluntarily-- being made

00:10:43.1 121 voluntarily, and you said Yes, is that correct?

00:10:44.8 122 LOOKING CLOUD: Yes.

00:10:46.0 123 DET. ALONZO: Just sign - initial that right there.

00:10:55.3 124 And the last statement on here is, Do you understand that this

00:11:01.1 125 interview is being video taped and audio taped?

00:11:04.3 126 LOOKING CLOUD: Yes.

00:11:05.0 127 DET. ALONZO: Okay. Just initial there, please.

00:11:16.9 128 Excuse me for the interruption.

00:11:18.1 129 ECOFFEY: No problem.

wise wise wise words MOLWB... the point of all this is that the People get help. Is it not? If these things are done for recognition then they should not be done at all for that is not what a good and true heart does when helping the People.

I have not been made to forget that it was said this is the
sacred ground or that we are clan-it is good to defend what
is right but good to remember where it is we speak our words.

These are good words drumdancer, something I think we all could take to heart and think about when we are writing our posts.

I have been thinking about the role of the government in the time of WK2 and Annie Mae's murder. They put in place and perpetuate conditions that are severely detrimental to the various healthy states of the people. They have in place laws that keep improvement from outside entities from being allowed, except of course unless they want to take something, then it's ok to build whatever they want. They have many times through ineptitude or malice put people in or kept them out of jail. Many more things that are known and unknown. The government has always done these things and it is not news. There are many places on this forum alone that talk about these issues and there is a need for that and relevance to certain aspects discussed there.

I have read the letters Annie Mae wrote where she talked of GOONs and FBI wanting to kill her, the thing about those letters is this. What point of view do we have now 34 years later that she didn't? What was she told and by whom? What did she experience herself? It is known by many people when you are in a situation it's much harder to be objective than if you are an observer. We now are observers and investigators.

There is so very much that went on then that we will never know about. Certain little things Annie Mae saw through her experience that we have no idea to look for because we did not live her life. Each of us has a certain shade to the lens through which we view life. Each shade added together creates a more defined picture.

RTs experience of gang mindsets has helped me to understand a little about things during that time, and that is invaluable to me. Though no matter how much he shares with us there are still things that only he can see, because he could not possibly reiterate his entire life of experience. So his viewpoints are always invaluable.

BB has the perspective of a cop, where certain laws we know very little or nothing about were his bread and butter. The different way of investigating that was instructed to him through his training. There are things he sees that are invaluable as well.

In my opinion we all need to do a better job of looking at the various gifts of perception each brings. If that is not done and respect given to all who have done alot of work, sometimes decades of work, then we aren't respecting that person, and cannot expect to be respected in turn.
In my view when we look at the situation in the 1890s 1970s today and inbetween, we need to look at as many perspective as we can, that would include the leaders who did not defend the sacred ways, the people, the land, and the nation. As well as the individuals themselves who have through naiveté, ignorance, malice, done the same as those leaders. That includes dick wilson and his band (who were mostly or fully lakota), AIM, the government, and everyone else. Sounds like quite a chore right? I'll ask this question... do our children deserve anything less from us?

You can follow Annie Mae's footprints as was suggested by her, and see where she made errors in judgement. But I for one cannot condemn her for a few errors when I have no idea what she went through. It is those who made many specific decisions to ignore the good of the people, nation, land, ceremonies, etc. that we should be looking at to ask the hard questions and demand an explanation. If we don't then who will?

If we don't work for what is right then what will our children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, and so on have to say about what we borrowed from them? I would ask that you think about this, why is it that Annie Mae is looked at with so much respect, when the things she did is what we all should do? To me it is because she DID do those things. During a time when so many were doing the wrong things, not only did she not follow them, she swam against the current to do what was right as best as she knew how.

That is why I respect this woman Annie Mae Pictou Aquash, that is why I have tethered myself to the work she was doing and will not be moved. Nothing short of death or victory will stop me. I have followed SOME of her footprints and seen these things in her, and she through example has given me strength to stay the course. I will not add to the looking away, not in any form. There is enough of that and our Ancestors and Children deserve better.

March 27th she would have been 65, I think about what she would teach to her Grandchildren, speaking her native Mi'kmaq, the stories she would pass down. Would she teach them to sew? To shoot a gun? To braid hair? These things we will never know, her daughters and grand daughters will never know.

So many have lost their mothers and fathers, so many will never hear their stories. This is why we are here working for justice for Annie Mae, not only for her, but for ALL who lost the beautiful memories, the special times with loved ones. Her work in her life was for the people, in the spirit of her life, and the example she lead, we carry that on.

In the spirit of Annie Mae, matnaggewinu.

I see that I may have been saying Ellison when I meant Ecoffey. As both are 'E words', I mix them up. As this is a lot of stuff to be dealing with, I feel a need to reread this What of Annie Mae post as I did once at @ pg. 17. With all the links, it is a not so little chore. Compared to the sacrifices made by Annie Mae, I think it is the eqivilent of a mouse when compared to a Bear.

As to LWB's last post, "Ditto".

One Love, One Heart!
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