Having been there to run the clothes and food drives and weed through the donations, I understand what you are saying, Mike. But that is what trash cans are for.

Like the suggestion for a name-I've been pondering the logistics of this thing
and composing a list of people I know who are in a position to assist and who
I think would.
I'm really inclined to believe that not only fabric manufacturers but sewing
machine makers could be cajoled into donations-if for no other reason than
a pr move.
We need to get some input here from others, suggestions etc and then formulate
some plan-once that is done I will approach Denise and Debbie about naming
such a movement, if we make it happen, in their mother's name-I think it would
please them and be a fitting memorial, as it has been said Annie Mae herself was
a great one for making articles of clothing for children and others.
If it meets with success at PR I can easily see it spreading to other rez's.
I had a Navy "p" coat I bought in a thrift store for eight dollars-all wool, heavy
and well made-had it for years but passed it on to someone who needed it
more than me-now I wear a coat made by this good woman of mine and am
often complimented on it and asked where I bought it? Convinces me what we speak
of here is viable.

admin 2- I know all about this dumping of trash as donations-very easy way around
that is to inspect it before transporting it don't you think?

"It's when discussions and words are hyper analyzed and articulated to pieces can anyone then,
just insert their own meanings."

This statement above is really dependent on the individuals viewpoint don't you think?
Personally I fail to see where the discussion and input of others translates to hyper analyzation,
and articulation leads to understanding. There is more than one way to assist, more than one
definition, and certainly more than one who donates, and really shouldn't have a thing to do
with names or personalities or directives.
If this is hyper analyzed and articulated to pieces as you suggest, and yet accomplishes a
good, I think every other criteria or opinion would be superfluous.
Perhaps I misunderstand and your words are directed to me only-either way my response
remains as it is-in the end it is about moderating misery and suffering isn't it? and everyone should
do what they can in they manner they are able. Compassion does not come with a brand name or
signature.

I know what you mean about your coat. I made a coat for my son and he was in the Air Force at the time, and all the guys wanted to know where he got it so they could get one. And one time a girl wanted me to make her wedding gown and one of the guests was an Exxon Oil exec and he asked her father if he ordered it from Paris and if he paid more than $10,000 for it. She said, no sir, I have a personal seamstress. I laughed so hard. Hand made doesn't have to mean ugly or unfitting. It can mean best quality you can get and in these days of slack work it usually does. Let me know if you need me.

Well, I'm not going to continue having to defend what I do so I will leave it at that on my website where things are really happening. It's plain to see that some just like to keep poking with a stick instead of actually helping as I do. I don't think I have to constantly validate everything I say. I don't ask if your words are the truth or not. That's just a bunch of bullshit to stir the pot every time someone has something to say and you don't agree. That's fine to have your opinion also. I came onto this forum to help the staff out and see what I can do to make things a little bit better. It seems there are those who just love to antagonize people just for the sake of saying my word is stronger than yours. Who gives a shit. The reason Russell told me to make sure to get new clothes if possible is because it gives people a better outlook on life if you give them something that hasn't been used by someone else. Pahchoka you really need to stop with all this analyzing this and that of what I put up there. I don't see you doing this with others. What's the beef? I could care less if we get along or not. I prefer to get along. I guess when you get older you look through all the games the younger generation likes to play. Call me grumpy or an old fart but this disrespect gets under my skin and I'll bite back. I prefer the old saying, "If you don't have anything good to say then don't say anything." I'll put one more on you........put your money where your mouth is. When I come up to Pine Ridge, if you live there, meet me and help out when we unload the truck. Seeing as your the expert on all on Pine Ridge, help me out with getting the names of people who need things and I'll get it to them. Would you be willing to do that? Probably not, I'm assuming, that would take too much of an effort. It really just pisses me off when people can't put their macho attitudes aside for one moment to help others out. I asked for volunteers in this forum to help me out. Not one of you, with the exception of two people, said they would. If you really want to get this thing rolling, it starts with YOU. All of this tribal politics structure and reorganizing sounds good but in reality it isn't going to change as long as you have the BIA and the US Government involved. People are greedy and will do the wrong thing every time to better themselves and their friends. That's why I don't deal with the tribal council. I cut them out and the government out. I do this on my own accord and don't take anything from these two. I've really had it with the nitpicking, over analyzing, interrogative questions. I really don't have to answer to any of you about what I put in here. Just like you don't have to answer to anyone else in here too. If you don't agree, fine, then we don't agree but I'm not going to play this bullshit game anymore. As far as my threads are concerned, I will keep them on subject, I won't put up with the games anymore, your posts will be deleted if you start getting to be a jackass. Bottom line, I'll keep the thread rolling with the subject and no bullshit. Another thing, if you don't like what Russell has to say, go to another site. This is his website, his dime, he runs it. You're pissing up a rope when you keep bashing him. So if you don't like him, fine, go make your own website called "We will analyze you.com" or something like that. I bet you'd find a lot fewer people willing to come on your forum.
Again, I'll put the challenge to you and see if you'll go with it. I'll be going to Pine Ridge in April. This will give you plenty of time to plan and think about it. Meet me there when I roll up with the semi. We'll see where your heart really lies. You talk so much of taking care of the elders and women. Actually contribute and you'll see the true meaning of being a human being among your relatives.

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black bird to give the clothes to help is a good thing and you
are thanked for that. To give a way for the women to be strong
is good to and better.
This one pahchoka gave my grandfather his new eyes and I am
made to think he does much for the old ones and his relatives,
more than as you say talk. He did this thing when he did not know
my grandfather and I know of others he does this contribute to.
You say a wrong thing here with these words.

seems to me Blackbird is doing a good thing here with what he does. Good Job blackbird:)

nice rant BlackBird, If you had not noticed I do have my own site I prefer to keep it focused on Boer Goats and Horses and the sale of the same so I will have to decline your suggestion of changing the content to a BlackBird bashing site.

You don't know what I do or do not contribute to the Rez. Mainly because I don't sit around letting everyone know, but then again I am not looking for a pat on the back or recognition either.

I am glad Russell is you buddy, I have a respect for Russell but I also realize, that everytime he farts he is not imparting wisdom.

You are dead wrong about Pahchoka he is a very critical thinker and questions pretty much everything. Don't feel like you are special to him in that regard.

I can verify that about Pahchoka, he's done it to me before and I greatly benefited from the wisdom I got from it. It helped me to see certain ways I was thinking wrong and become stronger on what I knew was right. A little something from a random site I came across, read it or toss it, it's up to you.

Otters are curious about everything in their domain. They will touch or sniff every object within sight. No stone, plant, critter or other object will escape the otter's appetite to know, "who or what are you?". This reminds us to always look at situations, events and people from different angles; to always be open to new challenges

HALLO ? PEOPLE where is the LOVE in all this ?I dont see it ,Its human being s you are talking about ,People who need your help how can you go on like this .are you serious about what you doing .I thought the Lakota are your friends ,This nation.s had so many hard times if you want to give a gift then let it be new things because old things wear out quick after a few month the need will be there again.And its disrespectfull to give old gifts to friends .

Its true what stormsrider said if you want to do something then dont tell the whole world know about it .its disrespectfull .Thats what some white people do they hang pictures all over town of African kids with tears in their eyes to make people soft so they can get money ;And the kids are still suffering where is the LOVE in that.? Blackbird I.m not trying to attack you but your motives are wrong first try to find the Love in your heart first .I.m talking to you as a friend not an enemy .because so many people make mistakes like this and then break people.s hearts even more then its broken already.

many Blessings to you .Mitakuye Oyasin .Rainbow

i think sometimes people would love to argue the color of orange juice...

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I.m telling you ,Howard1964 its not funny sometimes . And how can they talk so rude things about Russel means .rainbow

I didn't have the opportunity to read bb's response till late last night as I was
away and involved in a couple of things. My initial response was to get fired
up a little and set about attacking the keyboard before calming now a bit.
Instead I sent a pm, two actually, inserted a challenge of my own, and attempted
to address what I thought were key issues.
I also stated that if bb's efforts keep a single child warm they are worthy-
I believe that and it is independent of whatever else he or I may think about the
other.
In the Annie Mae thread I, we, have attempted to keep it free of public brawling
and for the most part have been successful at that. I feel that due to the nature and
intent of the thread it is important to do so as the issues addressed are critical.
I have the same sense here-this is a critical issue and all out war should be avoided.
In my pm's to bb I asked if he felt that his clothes drive and the sewing proposal
be separated into different threads, I haven't received a reply to that as yet but
I don't see an issue in doing so. I am assuming as it was late bb was sleeping and
and will respond to this which was in my second pm-he did in fact respond to
my first one.
I can understand a person defending them self if they feel threatened ,and or,
projects they are involved with- I can understand that it is entirely possible to develop
a proprietary sense about such things, even if only unintentionally-neither should preclude
open mindedness nor differing opinions if they are legitimate.
Resorting to threats of deletion or sword waving of who owns what and if that's
a problem hit the road are almost guaranteed to raise the ire of some and hopefully
aren't in the process of becoming commonplace.
Russell's whole life has been built on controversy, in my opinion much of it by
choice and design-seems to me it would be anathema and a double standard to find it
unacceptable on the forum.
So for the record I will say as I did in my pm's and above-if the welfare of
one child is improved through bb's efforts it is a thing to be appreciated by
any who care-that doesn't mean I'm going to be sending bb a valentine and a
box of chocolates-only I'll give credit where credit is due.
Would be a good thing to lay this to rest.
We have an understanding, if you will, that neither of us will be pushed or prodded by
the other-should there be a re occurrence I will start a thread dedicated to that and we
can sell tickets to the show by way of a fund raiser.

Well put, Pahchoka. Thank you.

Hello Pahchoka I believe you want me to write about african Culture ,If you want to know about real african Culture then you would have to ask a black S.African .I.m Coloured person or what you would call a mixed we dont have the same Culture or teachings .I will write to the forum about the things my parents talk to me about ,But I think you already know alittle about me. Rainbow

I daresay that because it's someone else's dime shouldn't give them the right to dictate what is written or not written. Sounds too much like censorship to me and if thats the case I am out because traditional dakotah beliefs have nothing to do with censoring the thoughts or feelings of any other human being. I was Dakotah and a true human being before I came to these forums and I can assure anyone in here that I will be Dakotah and still a true human being when I leave them. The true mark of a leader or so i was taught was his/her ability to take criticism and turn it into something positive for the People, to serve the People in this way used to be an honor. True leaders serve the People... not the other way around. I bow my head to no man for they are no more human being than I am. These are my words and I have spoken them.

Sometimes I get a little fired up and get going on a rant. I'll just decline to comment on this anymore. We all have our differences and that's what makes us all unique in our own ways. RT, SR, Pahchoka, and others have their own ways of seeing and doing things. That's a good thing. I guess when you get slammed with PMs on the same post it gets a little overwhelming at times. I have to admit I can get pissed about things and say something in regret later. So I apologize about posting on the thread to you Pahchoka, I should have just PM'd ya.

I don't look for any chest beating it's not me. I just have a valid service that the people need and use. I like to put it out on the ROL because there are people from the rez who go to our forums. Maybe they need help and my service would come in handy for them. It's not about new clothes, recognition, or anything of the sort. I only ask that people give others a chance to have dignity with a donation of something in good condition. I also accept canned goods, toiletries, diapers, or anything that people can use at home.

Pahchoka, I'll let this go and apologize to you. I should have talked to you first but when I'm hotheaded it's difficult for me to go to PMs. I'm sorry if I threw it at ya. It's just how I am at times.

PS:

When you have the fundraiser, make it out to first nations assistance. Just a little humor there folks.

Understandable that you would put it on the RoL blackbird-possibly someone would see it
who needs help or could offer assistance.
Difficult sometimes when angry not to speak in haste-something we all do- and as I said,
any effort that brings comfort to a single child has a value. Be well blackbird.

Let's see what we can collectively come up with to get it going. I don't mind if it's a woman's sewing circle or anything else that will help people help themselves. I see on Pine Ridge that corporations or large businesses aren't allowed because of federal law prohibiting it. Why not have people organize it themselves and have them run it, sell it, profit it from it? I'd be willing to help getting it organized and getting supplies started. All it takes is the will of people to move forward. The first thing to do is make that small baby step.