Lostspirit thanks for your reply, i dont claim to have mentaly figured out the political situation, however thru looking back in history with much less stuff and knowing the U S Constitution states the health wealth and security is to be in the peoples hands i study the situation and ask for input, i can envision someone going to the car plant and working to own a car or renting them, and i can envision a national car co. to keep down the price of parts, and incentive for improvement can be implemented in a communist as well as capitalist system, bottom line i think we have been fed some bullshit and i do mean fed and like one elder said, we got to think our way out of this mess, compost for building up soil should have more value than a gal. of gas in my opinion, stuff like that
pahanna, I grew up in an era where everything was 'communist.' This was communist, he was a communist, they were communist and if you looked under your bed there was one there also. Have you noticed that when anyone disagrees with u.s. policy they are communist (or now the dreaded Muslim terrorist)? In south amerika when anything gets nationalized because its people are tired of getting ripped off by u.s. companies; well, by god they are 'communist.' South amerikans that fight against the outside people coming in, stealing their land and the enslaving them to harvest non traditional crops such as coffee are deemed 'communist.'
Some days I feel that we have already lost the second Civil War with those of the ruling class wanting us to step back in time where the only one with rights were the ruling white (european) elite. The south got people to fight for it, in part, because there just might be a chance, a slim as it may be, to someday own slaves and be really rich. Today that same principle is at work whereby you too may be rich and you don't want any limits on you can do when you are rich.
On my maternal side my great grandfather and his son fought for Texas. Both were lucky enough to come back home.....to abysmal poverty. I have read that just before the end of the war Lincoln met with Sherman and Grant and told them "I'd let them down easy boys, let them down easy." Then as you have noted before look at what that 'good' Democrat Johnson did with 'reconstruction.'
I too am for a more civil society but I do not believe either party will ever deliver on that. That is why I am attracted to the Occupy movement. We have to start with something new.