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 Post subject: Elizabeth Warrens false claims of Cherokee ancestory
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 1:36 pm 
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http://cherokeesdemandtruth-elizabethwa ... t-be.htmlf

I came across this a minute ago. Though I believe my family oral tradition, as told by my grandmother and 2 great aunts, I do not claim to be of any nation. I can not and will not claim to be of a nation until I find real genology evidence. Even if family tradition is proven to be true, I will never file for any benifits.


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 Post subject: Re: Elizabeth Warrens false claims of Cherokee ancestory
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:15 pm 

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Flip, from other things I've read she is 1/16th Cherokee. She has not, to my knowledge, asked for tribal benefits but did use the claim to get a job. Double minority, being a woman and being ndn.


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 Post subject: Re: Elizabeth Warrens false claims of Cherokee ancestory
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:03 am 
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I admit I should have omited the word false in the title of the post. from what I have also read, at best she is 1/32 cherokee. but as the article stated, one of the 3 cherokee tribes did her genology and found her claim to be unfounded. Even being 1/32, and using that to get a job is unconsciencable, in my book.


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 Post subject: Re: Elizabeth Warrens false claims of Cherokee ancestory
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:09 pm 
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Elizabeth Warren should admit she is lying about being Cherokee. It is very wrong that someone would use the Cherokee name or any Indian tribe name to make gains in life.I am proud that I am Indian and I would never use it wrongfully.I am also white.I had a Shawnee and a Cherokee teacher and historian look at my genealogy and say it was true that I am Indian.I also know I could never join the Cherokee federally recognized tribe because I have no direct ancestor that signed the Baker or Dawes rolls.My ancestors hid from the government in NE Alabama.I did have aunts,uncles and cousins that did signed those roll books in Oklahoma.I do believe the woman is lying from reading her genealogy.Jennifer


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 Post subject: Re: Elizabeth Warrens false claims of Cherokee ancestory
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:32 pm 

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Flip, I stand corrected as to the amount of ndn blood.

Craig wrote:
Elizabeth Warren should admit she is lying about being Cherokee. It is very wrong that someone would use the Cherokee name or any Indian tribe name to make gains in life.


Jennifer, please explain to me how she's lying. My father was told he was 1/16 ndn. As Tink Tinker and a member of his audience said "In those days people were ashamed of ndn blood."

I have far less problem with Elizabeth Warren's 1/32 than I do with being able to establish a casino with 1/238 of blood.

Sometimes all you have is oral history.


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 Post subject: Re: Elizabeth Warrens false claims of Cherokee ancestory
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:12 am 
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I believe in oral history from family very much.,but I read Ms.Warren said her parents eloped because of her fathers family didn't like it because her mother was Cherokee.Come to find out her parents got married in their hometown with a church wedding.What would that suggest.On the website you suggested from Polly's granddaughter compares genealogy of a Cherokee chief and Ms. Warren's genealogy and all it shows is her being white and it doesn't show her family lived beside or along the Indians or her family living in the same places with the the Indians at different times in her family history.It shows in the census as she has nothing but white family.I have done genealogy since the 1980s.Some Indians did claim themselves as being white on the census to hide from the government as in my family but they went back almost 200 years in Ms.Warrens family and found no trace of being Cherokee.Cherokees kept good records.I know for a fact Cherokees keep good records.I went to the Cherokee genealogy department in NC before I found out I was Cherokee(in 2007) and I saw lots of Cherokees on their books with my mother's family names and I wondered then if was I Cherokee .One of my ancestor put down as being white on the census even though she was Cherokee but her brother was in the Trail of Tears and was listed on the Cherokee Drennan Roll.He was a chief and a treaty signer.They had the same mother and father.We have a bible in some of my family's hands with all of their names on it.The Bible is the same as a birth certificate. It is a legal document of old.I have some family were called Black Dutch which I came to find out that means Cherokee or Creek.It shows up somewhere.My husband has oral history of someone in his family walked the Trail of Tears.I found out that his family lived with and worked for the Cherokees.His ancestor was a miller for the Cherokees.Two of his white ancestral aunts married Cherokees and they walked the Trail of Tears.All I can find out is that my husband is white.I don't discount family oral history but usually the truth will show up.Jennifer


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 Post subject: Re: Elizabeth Warrens false claims of Cherokee ancestory
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:49 am 
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They might as well say no indian blood casino people are usually rich people who fund the casinos.In Cherokee NC there are store business owners who are not Cherokees and the Cherokees do not like that.I have seen them and a majority of the store owners are not Cherokee.They have teepees out everywhere and Cherokees lived in log houses and they want them gone.Maybe Ms.Warren needs to do a DNA test to prove her Indian heritage.Jennifer


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 Post subject: Re: Elizabeth Warrens false claims of Cherokee ancestory
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:31 pm 
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I have an oral family history.One of my grandfathers were Irish.I heard all my life that one of my ancestors came from Ireland and that he came to America as an indentured servant under a doctor.He married the doctor's daughter after his servitude was over and became a doctor himself.I did the research and I found him and all that was told to me was true except my grandfather said the Irish ancestor was from his father's side but what I found out was the ancestor was from his mother's side.Well, that ancestor was one of the Jamestown colonists.So my Powhaten Indian side was along with the Irish side.I wonder if that means I am always fighting with myself.Both Indians and Irishes can be fiesty if pushed the wrong way.When I was young I did have a temper because I would get my feelings hurt easy over nothing.I am glad I am not like that anymore.Old age sets in and calms you down.Jennifer PS Flip, people in those days were ashamed of being Indian that is probably why my grandmother did not tell us she was Indian.


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 Post subject: Re: Elizabeth Warrens false claims of Cherokee ancestory
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:54 am 
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I understand all too well the reluctance of many old ones to admit they were of native descent. I knew a man, half a lifetime ago, in north alabama. He discovered he was part cherokee. He told me his family story was they were of spanish blood. This lie was told so they would not be looked down upon by the whites.

This also is one reason I do not doube the story told to me by my grandmother and 2 great aunts. I grew up in rural west virginis. This is the area where rednecks abound. I feel for them to tell me the family story, it has to be true. I say this because the county I grew up in, there were no people other than white redneck. A person had to travel 2 counties away to see a black person.


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 Post subject: Re: Elizabeth Warrens false claims of Cherokee ancestory
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:14 pm 
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Flip,you will find out the truth on your family one day.What I was meaning on the oral history is that the basis or the main truth is there and it has been handed down from one generation to the next but sometimes things are omitted or added. Like my grandfather thought the Irish ancestor was on his father's side but the ancestor came from his mother's side and with my husband's family they always thought they had Cherokee blood in them because of the Trail of Tears story.It still may be there but I can't find it.My husband's family moved from Rome Ga. to Fort Payne Alabama along with the Cherokees.Rome Ga. was the start of the Trail of Tears and Fort Payne (Willistown) was the second stop of theTrail of Tears where the US soldiers and whites rounded up the Cherokees and put them in stockades and chains.They crowded them up in small rooms like they were sardines.The soldiers would take their bayonets and stab pregnant Indian women that would kill them and their babies.The white people were given land for rounding the Cherokees up.Gov.Sevier of Tenn. said that the Cherokees were like lice having nits .I found letters my ancestor Blackfox wrote to Gov.Sevier telling him why can't we all live like one family in one house.Gov.Sevier and Pres. Andrew Jackson caused them lots of trouble. My ancestal uncle who I said was a chief and a treaty signer( I wrote about him above).He signed the paper work(treaty)along with John Ridge and it shows the monetary amount for the tribe to go out west for the Trail of Tears.The Chiefs didn't realize that it was going to be a brutal winter that year and that is one of the reasons why most of them died.My husband's grandmother was born in Fort Payne,Ala. The third stop of the Trail of Tears was around Scottsboro ,Ala.That is where my family was and is from.From Blackfox to my mother.Jennifer


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 Post subject: Re: Elizabeth Warrens false claims of Cherokee ancestory
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:01 pm 
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Flip remember awhile back I wrote and told you if you need me to do your genealogy I will try to help.The offer still goes when you get ready.Jennifer


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