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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:10 am 
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believe the reservation system is the governments forst forray into socialism. Per treaty teh government is supposed to provide food, medical, housing, all the "comforts of life".

Flip, I again, with much respect for you, diagree! First of all, the us gov't would never "forray into socialism". Socialism isn't letting the people sit back and having the basics given to them. Rather, everyone works; everyone contributes. Everyone is on equal par. The problem with some of the reservations today is that Dick Wilson is alive and well in some of the tribal leaders, if ya know what I mean. The us government wants the ndn's to "sit back" and do nothing but receive gov't cheese. That way the gov't knows that they will become bored and disillusioned and turn to drugs and alchohol,therefore killing themselves so the gov't doesn't have to do it and in the meantime giving the impression to the people of this country that ndn's are "lazy" and want everything handed to them. The thing that ticks me off is that ndn's and other minorities just don't have the same opportunities whites have in this country. This is not a free country by any means; except if you are weathy and white (actually the minority is the white and wealthy; its high time the MAJORITY takes the power).
The people I work for have a certain mindset. As long as I know "my place", well, than they are wonderful. However if I step over certain "boundries", well they let me know it. I consider myself an intelligent hard working individual and resent that because I work in a position that doesn't bring me monetary wealth; well than I am not a "person" in their eyes. If they only knew how rich my life is, how wealthy I am due to experience and the people I know and love; all I can say is that come 10pm I can't wait to get in my car and drive home to my integrated diversified neighborhood and leave their perfumed stink behind.


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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 1:05 pm 
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Hey Flip,

since I have no electricity where I am sleeping, I dont watch tv. But, I do read a wide variety of news sites. In my truck, I totaled my van in march, I listen to NPR, and a conservative station. Online I read ABC,NBC,CNN,FOX,and Drudge. I try to get BOTH sides of an issue so I can make my own informed decision based on my own personal beliefs. By trying to catch both sides, hopefully I cn cut through the propaganda from both the left and the right. I concider myself to be more of a libertarian. That means I want as little government interference in my life as possible. I believe in a fiscal conservative government, with more power to the individual states.

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Senator Bernie sanders is the only socialist serving in the US Congress yet day in and day out he fights for the small guy. He fights congress, the banking system and CEOs that rip off the average citizens. Am I a socialist.............no but neither am I a capitalist that by definition has to have slavery in order to work.

Mitt Romney paid a tax rate of 15% of his income. How much do you pay (rhetorical question)?

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I am not sure about romney's tax rate, but I ask this question. Does he pay an income tax or a capital gains tax? Income tax is what we pay on the wages we earn, captial gains is the tax paid based on profits from investments. The money paid to make the investments has already been taxed as income when it was initially earned. Then it is invested somewhere, then you recieve you profit on your investment. That is why Warren Buffet pays a smaler tax rate then his secratary. She pays income tax and he pays capital gains taxes.



I had one client, when he died he owned one of the largest car dealerships in florida, who told me his condensed life story. Starting out all he could affor to buy to eat was chicken backs. He invested his money wisely. When Sonny died, his widow had to pay a 50% "death tax. To me that is just obscene. The man paid taxes on every dime he earned, then to tax him half when he died, that is thievery.
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i can definately see how he sees it like that, they damn sure is a rat in the nest, killing all the buffalo, and such, here in the south we got our ass kicked by a government that promoted slavery and then used it to occupy and denigrate, i am just saying that the truth of the matter has/is been turned upside down and inside out, Iraq was the same senario, they didnt care about anything but the oil, i know this from Special Forces guy who was working for Haliburton, hell i heard this black lady congreesman calling them demons and i agree , i wish Tecumseh could have pulled the tribes together , in my elementary school library his biography was right their with Jefferson and Washington, and Franklin thought the Germans were dumb , i hear the American dollar wwill be shifting to Chinese, did i say American, i meant British


I have said it here before, I agreed on atacking Afghanistan, that was right, that was where the terrorist were. I strongly disagreed on "occupying" the nation. History has shown it would never be conquered by any nation. Before Afghanistan the last justifiable war america has been in was WWII. I agree, Iraq was for oil and a family grudge, as well as being criminal.

I had a long chat with a chick who was a part of the "occupy wallstreet". We started talking aobut the socialized medicine the obama promoted. She said, "In europe, they have free medical. When I, was in France I hurt my foot and went to the emergency room. It was free. I replied, "It was not free. In france they pay a 45% income tax, not to mention province, city and sales taxes" Later in the conversation she said," In europe, they have a $15 per minimum wage". I said," yes, in germany if you lose your job you get unemployeement indefinately. There is no incentive to look for a job. Yet, in germany, they pay a 55% income tax rate, plus state, sales, city taxes."

I am not opposed to someone getting foodstamps if they truely have the need. What I am opposed to is people ising them as a lifestyle. The last place I lived, there was a guy I called fat boy. he was fat and lazy. He would rather sit around playing video games and watching movies than get a job. There was an article in the paper in september, it took 2 pages of the paper. It detailed how vousia county had one of the largest citrus groves in the state. They had fruit rotting on the tree because they could not get enough workers to pick the fruit. They harvested various citrus from september through april. Fat boy could have gotten a job there easily, but that would have interfeered with his smoking dope and "gaming". He mooched the dope from another tennent. That is why I feel there needs to be a limit, incentive to look for a job as well as drug testing in order to receive the benifits.



No, like everyone else I do not want to pay more in taxes. That is one reason I refuse to "buy" a license for my dog. All that is is a tax for owning a dog. I pay taxes when I take him to the vet, when I buy meds and food for him. I work hard for my money and I want to keep as much of it as possible. That is one good thing about having a cash based business. I get to hide some income from the government.



I am consevative on some issues, liberal on other. Gay marriage does not effect me in the least. I could care less if someone wants to be a rumpranger. I am agains the keystone pipeline because of the ecological issues. But I do not understand why they could not build a refinery in North Dakota. I support research into VIABLE alternative fuels. Unfortunately today, there are none available. Electric cars are a joke and not "green". Something like 65-70% of the electricity is produced from fossil fuels. Also, the batteries are lithium ion or cadinium or lead. These are metals and they are mined. Drive through west virginia and see the effects of minimg on the environment. Todays gas prices are killing me. Before I totaled my van i was spending $100-$200 per week in fuel. I can not put obama's algae in my gas tank.



I agree we need medical reform but not socialized medicine. A few years ago I was out of town visiting friends. I had a boil pop up between my Obama and my George Bush. You decide which is which. I could not walk or even lie down with out great pain. It was a 2 onth wait to see a local doctor. I could not drive because of where the boil was, and I could not pop it myself. I went to the emergency room and had it taken care of. I received a bill later for $1000. Imagine that a grand, to pop a boil.



I think it was Pahanna who said "self sufficiency and self reliance". That is what more people should be thinking of, instead of looking to the government and the taxpayers to exist. Even if you live in a city, you can still grow veggetables. I have a small garden at a clients house. It has tomatos, green pepper, zuccinni, eggplant, squash, and cucumber. A person does not need to have my knowledge of growing plants to have a productive garden. The resources are at the library.



I take no offense to what any have said, just as I meant no offense to anyone. If my rant offended anyone, oops


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 Post subject: Re: Message to Occupy Wall Street Mentions RoL
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 5:31 pm 
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I heard on the news today that people may not realize it but there is a fee imposed on the 401K's and that some people can lose $200,000 on their retirement money.Makes me glad I am poor.They get enough from us as it is and now some more thievery.......Yeah we all need to garden and to buy and support our local farmers.We got to have good food back and not eat the GMO's and not support the rich grocery stores.I have had a garden my whole life.I just ate my first jalapeno from my garden.I have one tomato almost red actually it is a purple Cherokee tomato and a zucchini almost ready to eat.If you don't have room for a garden you can do a container garden in pots.Jennifer


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 Post subject: Re: Message to Occupy Wall Street Mentions RoL
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 5:39 pm 
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Hey Lilac,rich people think their shit don't stink especially since they can wipe their ass with gold flecked toilet paper.LOL Flip we all have our own opinions about things and I don't take offense to what you have said. Jennifer


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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 6:49 pm 
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The reason why I have come to this site and would move in a heartbeat if the Republic of Lakotah came to be is because I support the philosophy and plans that Russell Means and others have conceived regarding that portion of the country. I believe whole heartedly that the democracy and republic dreamed up 200+ years ago has long ago run its course; corruption now rules. Also socialism as conceived by Karl Marx, Lenin, and others did not work; again corruption and greed took over. I have just about given up any hope for humankind and hope my kids don't have to live their lives scraping for whatever they can salvage after the "rich and powerful" take their glut.

Jennifer, I hope the gold flecks in their toilet paper irritates the hell out of their asses.


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Flip, what do you think about legalizing pot. That way we could all have health insurance. Count me in.


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The Pentagon and the wall street movement:
http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2012/05/p ... ccupy.html


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:22 am 
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Today I had a dental appointment; awoke early eagerly anticipating that my broken tooth will finally be fixed thru our community health center which charges on a sliding fee scale. Unfortunately the Iowa Care Program does not cover dental so I would be responsible for 25% of the bill which after I pay my rent, utilities, food (I refuse to apply for food stamps, not because of pride but because I hate dealing with those burned out bureucratic bitches at Department of Human services; talk about humiliation), gas, and miscellaneous stuff I need to survive (gotta have internet and music to feed my soul), well I don't have much left. I was told at the desk that I would need to pay 30 bucks in co-payment TODAY which I did not have due to paying my rent today for June. I was told they would not see me without that 30 bucks and I told them I would have it on the 7th for that is my next payday. No good. Had to reschedule. Man, this pisses me off and I let them know what I think of this amerikan system (one of the receptionists was shaking her head yes, I agree. Believe me, I let them have it). I work very hard and yet cannot afford to pay for insurance at work; good size health care facility but for some reason that eludes me they can not offer their employees affordable benefits. Anyway just had to bitch but I will not give up; I will not leave this earth without doing something to further better living conditions for my children and future grandkids. Obama said during one debate with McCain back in 2008 that health care is not a privilege but a right of the people. What the f*** happened with that, I ask.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... nce-budget


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 12:26 pm 
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lilac wrote:
Flip, what do you think about legalizing pot. That way we could all have health insurance. Count me in.



Of course it should be legal. Why do you think im on probation and spent 20 hrs at "club 92"? its what I call the local county jail. I got caught with a bong hit of reefer and a deer horn hash pipe I had carved. It cost me 20 hours of freedom and about $1500.

Even if it were legal, I still would not support any socialized medicine. Here is just what my position may cost me. My daughter had surgery 2 years ago to have a part of her intestines and rectum removed because of cancerous polyps. The doctor quit counting at 120 polyps. Her entire GI tract is riddled with polyps, there is no way to remove them all. Her biological father died of this disease. I raised her since she was 4 years old. She is now 22. I do not know if I will have another 5 years with her. I would trade places with her in a heartbeat. If I were to leave this world, few if any, would mourn me. My daughter, on the other hand, has a 5 year old son, my grandson. So, you see, this is very personal to me. Just because she has medical problems, does not mean her problem should be the taxpayers.

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. Obama said during one debate with McCain back in 2008 that health care is not a privilege but a right of the people. What the f*** happened with that, I ask.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... nce-budget


Why dont you ask obama, biden, pelosie and harry reid why, after the socialized medicine bill was passed, over 1000 of their biggest donors got exemptions from the health bill. If you donate enough money, you get a free pass.


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The problem is we do not, no matter your claims, have socialized medicine. In an attempt to gain Republican support for the bill black feather gave the Republicans and insurance companies something they have preached and wanted for years and that is the forced buying of insurance. As soon as black feather was for it, it suddenly became a Republican talking point that it was socialist.

I am not a big black feather supporter. In fact I will not vote for him. But he can't do much when the Senate holds him hostage to a 60 vote majority in everything including appointments to agencies. In my opinion the Repbubs are thwarting the constitution that calls for the vice-president to vote in case of a 50-50 tie. If Romney wins, I will encourage and demand that our Democratic Senators do exactly to him what the Repubs have put this country through for the last four years. Fair is fair.

Flip, you wondered about the popping of a boil for $ 1,000. Black feather also allowed the insurance companies to raise rates until 2014. Those without insurance always pay the most, the top dollar. All the talk about those with prior conditions having insurance coverage is another total joke. Again, anyone with prior conditions, and the insurance companies consider pregnancy a prior condition, will be able to purchase a plan. But at what cost?


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Flip,

I was wondering, again, just what part of the Occupy Declaration you disagree with?


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http://occupyseattle.org/resource/decla ... py-seattle


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 4:55 pm 
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So, you see, this is very personal to me. Just because she has medical problems, does not mean her problem should be the taxpayers.

Flip, my heart goes out to you and your daughter. But we are the taxpayers and why should our money, billions and billions of dollars, my friend, be used for the vast military complex the leaders of "the free world" feel necessary. Why are they compelled to waste so much of OUR money on destroying other people's lives worldwide. Just a part of that could be used to ensure that people like you and I who work hard are able to provide for ourselves and families affordable health care. I'm not asking for a free ride; but good god, the "healers" and their whole health(wealth)care system is a sham and a disgrace. No wonder so many of us medicate ourselves regardless of the price we may be made to pay (jail, loss of job, addiction).


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Flip,I hate that about your daughter.I went through the colon cancer 4 years ago.Herbal medicines and supplements have got me back feeling human again and with the number one man God.If your daughter is willing to do supplements maybe she it will help her to be alright.Tell her to do whole food liquid multi vitamin.Liquid vitamins get in your system faster than pills.That will help to build the immune system up.Tell her to do an Ojibwe Tea to gently cleanse her system while helping to build up her immune system.An Ojibwe woman formulated it in the 1930s.It is mainly used for colon,lung and breast cancers. If she is not too weak also do a parasite cleanse of wormwood,black walnut and clove combination.It can be harsh if you have parasites and it can make you live in the bathroom for a couple of days.It is worth it though.Parasites get stuck in the colon walls and they form tumors or polyps that you can't shake off when your immune system is low.Tell her to stay away from refined sugar.It makes tumors and polyps grow.The parasites feed off of sugar and white foods and spit out yeast that lowers our immune system.We all have parasites,some are good and some are bad and they can live up to 40 years in our system.Probiotics are a must for colon issues.You can e-mail me if you have any questions.I just want to help.Jennifer


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I had adressed pretty much everything everyone said. I am here a mcdonalds using their wifi, and when I went to post my reply, I found I had lost the conection, thus losing al I had spent an hour writing. I just got a call to do some work, in the rain, so I will have to again, gather my thoughts and try again tomorrow.


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Here is an interview with two men. One is considered far Left; the other far Right that have written a book together.

"In this exclusive, unedited interview, think-tankers Norman Ornstein and Thomas Mann chart the decline of cooperative problem solving in Washington, discuss government unsustainability and rampant abuse of the filibuster."

http://www.thedailyshow.com/extended-in ... ann/414804


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: http://youtu.be/86OSs6YmM8s)


Occupy NOLA
http://www.occupynola.net


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MSNBC, especially on weekends, is news negligent. Mostly they run prison programs. However, there is one program that I do like and it is called "Up With Chris Hayes." On most weekends thoughtful discussions of problems occur. This Sunday was, in my opinion, a very good show. The panel had on it, among others, one of Romney's partners at Bain Capital. The young woman working with Occupy Wall Street initially took him on and then another guest from Missouri smacked him with fact after fact. I think there was a total of four segments, this was the first part:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46979738/vp ... 0#48188340

If anyone watches any of these, please note that when they talk about minorities being selected for sub-prime mortgages that ndns are at the very bottom rung. Ndns will lose more because they have less to start with.


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If anyone watches any of these, please note that when they talk about minorities being selected for sub-prime mortgages that ndns are at the very bottom rung. Ndns will lose more because they have less to start with.

Lostspirit, like you I am a news show junkie. This year being an election year the news people go on and on regarding the "african american" vote and the "hispanic vote." I have never heard in all my viewing hours the "ndn vote." I still say in this country ndn's are kept from public view; the gov't, without a conscious of course, has kept most of the native population hidden within reservations and have done NOTHING to bring the plight of the contemporary ndn to the people of this country. I think the gov't along with most of the media brainwashes the average amerikan to think ndn's and casinos are synonomous; that they are all making tons of money off the stupid bored white people, which of course is not the truth.


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Yeah, a lady I know says she doesn't understand why Indians live in trailers when they are making all that casino money.I told her the average Indian don't hardly get any of that money.We almost got in an arguement over it.She wouldn't have it any other way but that the Indians are rich.I just shut up because I realized then all that's on her mind is money.Well,then she said that the Indians had the right idea on the casinos.Then I told her I don't believe in gambling and that a lot of the Indian elders don't believe in it either.I haven't talked to her in awhile because that talk told me she was nothing but a greedy person herself.Jennifer


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