instead of bantering on line... lets all set aside our grievances .... SR, LWB,GW, and myself and set a trip back to the "homelands" in September if that would suit everyone .... this way we can meet face to face .... visit family and forget about what we disagree on.

Sounds good to me, I prefer in person discussions anyway.

I love to meet knew people, and also prefer to speak in person, but there is no way I'd spend time with the two of you. You have shown yourself for who you are just from your words here. I don't go out of my way to spend time with people like that.

LWB.... and that is the difference between Lakota perspective and western perspective .... I believe and hope that SR thinks similar to me on this .... altho we are very vocal, when someone puts forth an effort to make peace and put the past events behind them in a good manner, it becomes easy to forgive .... maybe i waited to long to do this....but what has transpired can not be undone .... the Lakota way tells us to learn the lessons life has placed in front of us .... not continue on in the thoughts of the mistakes and dwell on the past.

....i would like to add this also .... this is the internet .... we can not see each other nor can we hear each others voices .... many times we take anothers words out of context because we can not know how they meant it

i thought while i was on a roll i would share a story with you LWB .... about 9 yrs ago i lived with a woman .... the relationship ended... not well either .... so i went on with my life....both her and i marrying other people....and i moved 800 miles away .... and even after 6 yrs of marriage to my wife, we still have to hear from other people that my "ex" girlfriend is hanging on to the past.... i wonder how that makes her husband feel? So I pray for him, that if he has compassion on her.... maybe one day he will not have to suffer for her and my mistakes. We can forgive others and ourselves for things we say and even actions that we have taken .... but until we move forward and allow those mistakes to be laid to rest .... we shall always be carrying extra baggage we do not need... creating animosity in our own lives.

So maybe those that were "banished" from here will get a reprieve and someone that is a aministrator will have compassion, be allowed back into this community...and maybe they will place "our" incident behind them as I have done....and we can all be friends .... sometimes we need to "hear" anothers words to see where we went wrong .... toksa ake

ndn, I forgive very easily, I do not hold onto the negative for very long, but I will not forget. Different actions from individuals may very well result in a different perspective from me. But one time of change is not an attitude change. It is not a change of heart. Wether that one time was negative or positive, only consistent change for an extended period do I consider a true change.

An apology for wrongs caused, an admittance of the actions, that would go a long way to rebuilding a bridge someone burns.

There has been talk here in these forums of whites apologizing for actions of their ancestors. It that a quick release of the negative? It doesn't seem that way to me. I am only asking for an apology from the person that did the deed. I won't ask his sons or daughters to apologize for him, they did no wrong to me.