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 Post subject: Re: capatalism / communism discussion
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:41 pm 
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Good stuff on this...

So gog blames its problems on "a rogue engineer"...
now let's see...where have we heard that one before....oh yeah...How goes the Bradley Manning
affair?

There is a lot more to come on this...As for dial up,Lilac...not as much of a 'pita' as the I-net security bogles that come with hi-speed/Broadband non-sense.
Wi-fi and bluetooth?Double Hi-def plasmas?Pfft!
Day late and a dollar short.


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 Post subject: Re: capatalism / communism discussion
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:25 am 

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Thermlin wrote:
There is a lot more to come on this...As for dial up,Lilac...not as much of a 'pita' as the I-net security bogles that come with hi-speed/Broadband non-sense.
Wi-fi and bluetooth?Double Hi-def plasmas?Pfft!
Day late and a dollar short.
hau Thermlin, would you please translate this into the most basic (for computer challenged people, i.e. me) terms. In other words.....what? :D :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: capatalism / communism discussion
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:00 pm 

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pahanna, while I received this as an e-mail it is also an article on Huffington Post. Its author is the only SOCIALIST US Senator we have. While your thread is on capitalism and communism many shoot a loose cannon by lumping communism, socialism and fascism as one thing when all have separate and distinct identities:


Too Big to Jail?
By Senator Bernie Sanders

We are supposed to be a country of laws. The laws should apply to Wall Street as well as everybody else. So I was stunned when our country's top law enforcement official recently suggested it might be difficult to prosecute financial institutions that commit crimes because it may destabilize the financial system of our country and the world.

"I am concerned," Attorney General Eric Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee, "that the size of some of these institutions becomes so large that it does become difficult for us to prosecute them when we are hit with indications that if we do prosecute -- if we do bring a criminal charge -- it will have a negative impact on the national economy, perhaps even the world economy."

The attorney general was talking about some of the same financial institutions that received billions, and in some cases trillions, of dollars in taxpayer bailouts after their greed, recklessness and illegal behavior plunged the country into a terrible recession. Over my opposition, Congress approved a $700 billion taxpayer bailout of financial institutions that were on the brink of collapse which some in Congress considered "too big to fail."

In addition, the Federal Reserve provided over $16 trillion in total financial assistance to these same institutions during the financial crisis (which only became public after an amendment I inserted into the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act requiring the Fed to disclose this information).

The attorney general's view seems to be that if you are just a regular person and you commit a crime, you go to jail. But if you are the head of a Wall Street company, your power is so great that a prosecution could have destabilizing consequences with national or even worldwide implications.

In other words, we have a situation now where Wall Street banks are not only too big to fail, they are too big to jail. That view is unacceptable.

The attorney general's troubling acknowledgement has revived interest in an idea that is drawing more and more support. It is time to break up too big to fail financial institutions.

The 10 largest banks in the United States are bigger today than they were before a taxpayer bailout following the 2008 financial crisis.

U.S. banks have become so big that the six largest financial institutions in this country (J.P. Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs, and Morgan Stanley) today have assets of nearly $9.6 trillion, a figure equal to about two-thirds of the nation's gross domestic product. These six financial institutions issue more than two-thirds of all credit cards, over half of all mortgages, control 95 percent of all derivatives held in financial institutions and hold more than 40 percent of all bank deposits in the United States.

I will soon introduce legislation that would give the Treasury secretary 90 days to compile a list of commercial banks, investment banks, hedge funds and insurance companies that the Treasury Department determines are too big to fail. The affected financial institutions would include "any entity that has grown so large that its failure would have a catastrophic effect on the stability of either the financial system or the United States economy without substantial government assistance." Within one year after the legislation becomes law, the Treasury Department would be required to break up those banks, insurance companies and other financial institutions identified by the secretary.

Breaking up the too big to fail financial institutions is a notion that has drawn support from some leading figures in the financial community. Richard Fisher, president of the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank, wrote this: "The safer the individual banks, the safer the financial system. The ultimate destination -- an economy relatively free from financial crises -- won't be reached until we have the fortitude to break up the giant banks." James Bullard, the head of the St. Louis Fed, also weighed in. "I do kind of agree that 'too big to fail' is 'too big to exist.'" Thomas Hoenig, the former Kansas City Fed president, was an early supporter of the idea of breaking up big U.S. banks. "I think [too big to fail banks] should be broken up. And in doing so, I think you'll make the financial system itself more stable. I think you will make it more competitive, and I think you will have long-run benefits over our current system, which leads to bailouts when crises occur."

In my view, no single financial institution should be so large that its failure would cause catastrophic risk to millions of American jobs or to our nation's economic wellbeing. No single financial institution should have holdings so extensive that its failure could send the world economy into crisis. And, perhaps most importantly, no institution in America should be above the law. We need to break up these institutions because of the tremendous damage they have done to our economy.

If an institution is too big to fail, it is too big to exist.


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 Post subject: Re: capatalism / communism discussion
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:20 am 

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Lostspirit no big deal on the wifi issue, im not far from the communist library with the capitalist wifi, i can walk my communist/capitalist ass there on the communist road in 10 minutes in my capitalist made shoes, good article there, i will try not to get confused on terminology


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 Post subject: Re: capatalism / communism discussion
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:45 am 
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pahanna, while I received this as an e-mail it is also an article on Huffington Post. Its author is the only SOCIALIST US Senator we have. While your thread is on capitalism and communism many shoot a loose cannon by lumping communism, socialism and fascism as one thing when all have separate and distinct identities:

What difference does it make---socialist, communist, facist, or republicrat; it's all the same european/american colonial mindset that seems to be bringing all these so called free countries down: Von der Leyen also pushed for job seekers and employers alike to “look beyond the borders” within the European Union. “There are many young people searching for work. Think European!” http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/03/14/293498/eu-official-warns-of-lost-generation/


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 Post subject: Re: capatalism / communism discussion
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:42 pm 
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Hau mitakuye,

The great MEEJA guru of the 70's? Marshall Mcsomething luhan."the medium IS the message"

"While you may get free wifi from your neighbor you will subject yourself to spying. "

substitute internet for wifi in the second quote and we pretty much have it.If everyone is talking,who who is left to listen?

This discussion is about more than outmoded, outdated political doctrine but it does have relevance in relation to the Wampum belts.

Wo'wapi Wakal' a'yapi.
Flag upward they raise it.

"The indians and white men held the ropes.My father had one and another old indian had another.One spoke and said 'always where this flag is you must fight for it;you don't want this flag down.'"

Toksa ake


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 Post subject: Re: capatalism / communism discussion
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:58 pm 

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lilac wrote:
it's all the same european/american colonial mindset that seems to be bringing all these so called free countries down: Von der Leyen also pushed for job seekers and employers alike to “look beyond the borders” within the European Union. “There are many young people searching for work. Think European!” http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/03/14 ... eneration/
Wonder if they wished they'd have voted?


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 Post subject: Re: capatalism / communism discussion
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:05 pm 

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Thermlin wrote:
This discussion is about more than outmoded, outdated political doctrine but it does have relevance in relation to the Wampum belt
In article after article the Mohawks refer to the wampum belts that are the the agreements with the French, English and thus the Canadians as the only laws.

Right now and maybe always the flags NEED to be hung upside down as an international sign of distress both here and in Canada.


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 Post subject: Re: capatalism / communism discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:26 pm 
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In my view, no single financial institution should be so large that its failure would cause catastrophic risk to millions of American jobs or to our nation's economic wellbeing. No single financial institution should have holdings so extensive that its failure could send the world economy into crisis. And, perhaps most importantly, no institution in America should be above the law. We need to break up these institutions because of the tremendous damage they have done to our economy.

Apparently, financial institutions have not only done tremendous damage to the economy but they have done tremendous damage to human life, as many of us are aware of. For many of these institutions, and politicians, war is big business no matter what the cost: http://www.thehiddenevil.com/nazis.asp Personally I fear the outcome of the present situation.


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http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/pos ... accomplish


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 Post subject: Re: capatalism / communism discussion
PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:33 am 
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They say it’s because you’re lazy. They say it’s because you make poor choices. They say it’s because you’re spoiled. If you’d only apply yourself a little more, worked a little harder, planned a little better, things would go well for you. Why do you need more help? Haven’t they helped you enough? They say you have no one to blame but yourself. They say it’s all your fault. They are the 1 percent. They are the banks, the mortgage industry, the insurance industry.

"They" can also be those who have "bought" into the present system and perhaps are doing well at the moment; and as I personally know, the "moment" is eradict; subject to change at anytime. Then they may find themselves, as one of my favorite comedians said, living in a van down by the river. :lol: Even though I realize there are people who are too hurt to laugh; some days in my situation I too try not to cry and at least I would have a vehicle to live in if I was homeless. It's not really funny at all and nobody is really laughing deep inside. I don't even think the one percent laughs much any more; I think they are scared shitless cause they know the ninety nine percent are out there and won't take it much longer (I believe).


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:21 pm 

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Communiqué #2 from the 99%:

http://occupywallst.org/article/communi ... /#comments

pahanna, something that has been fermenting in the back of my mind is that I am not totally against capitalism. I do not mind paying for a service that I myself cannot, for whatever reason, provide myself. For instance I cannot do what you do. But there is a difference between making a profit and out and out raping someone for that service.....just because you can. I think how Sitting Bull went out and toured with Buffalo Bill and gave most of his earnings away to the poor whites even after what had been done to him and his people and then I think of these Wall St. assholes and all the pain, suffering and anguish they have caused and it flat pisses me off.
lilac wrote:
I think they are scared shitless cause they know the ninety nine percent are out there and won't take it much longer (I believe).
Honestly lilac I think they are clueless to the fact that there is "a bad moon rising."


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:47 pm 
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Honestly lilac I think they are clueless to the fact that there is "a bad moon rising."

Funny you should respond thus; last night while I took a stroll under a crescent moon, vaguely visible through skittering clouds, Creedance Clearwater Revival's song Bad Moon on the Rise was going through my head. I fear you may be right:

I see the bad moon arising
I see trouble on the way.
I see earthquakes and lightnin'.
I see bad times today.

Don't go around tonight,
Well, it's bound to take your life,
There's a bad moon on the rise.

I hear hurricanes ablowing.
I know the end is coming soon.
I fear rivers over flowing.
I hear the voice of rage and ruin.

Don't go around tonight,
Well, it's bound to take your life,
There's a bad moon on the rise.
All right!

Hope you got your things together.
Hope you are quite prepared to die.
Looks like we're in for nasty weather.
One eye is taken for an eye.

Don't go around tonight,
Well, it's bound to take your life,
There's a bad moon on the rise.

Don't go around tonight,
Well, it's bound to take your life,
There's a bad moon on the rise.


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 Post subject: Re: capatalism / communism discussion
PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:53 pm 

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Hello lilac,

Well, you know what they say about great minds, or is it tiny minds? :D :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:12 pm 

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Lostspirit, from my study the Romans modus operandi was/is a slave state that enhanced creativity thru the need to survive the material over spiritual atmosphere, my opinion is that this model should be a means to a end as the technology created from it is the Emperor and not the perveyors of the model, and i stand as a capitalist/communist and not one or the other,and in the scope of it all bankers are like a fly on a salt shaker, in the words of the Lumbee man who wrote "The Most Ironic Story In American History" in the early 60s " America where every man is a king"


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Lostspirit, the picture or whatever is not coming up on my page


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If this doesn't work try here http://occupywallst.org/ just scroll down a bit


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it showed this time,thanks


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